Session Start: Sat Mar 17 08:09:27 2007 Session Ident: #sevtrek [08:12] 6starting with Sev Trek cartoon [08:12] me no vote much [08:12] 6Don't they ALL? [08:12] cut [08:12] just so you know [08:13] ok johan [08:13] cut [08:13] Cut [08:13] cut [08:13] we'll see if we still have enough judges as we go [08:13] Ben apologises that he couldn't make it. Had to go out for dinner [08:13] 4ALL is none [08:13] 6It BARFED up an ensign's arm [08:13] Cut [08:13] cut [08:13] eliza (sessy) sends her greetings [08:14] is she there irl? [08:14] cut [08:14] cut [08:14] 4BARFED is bagged [08:14] 6It's EITHER that or, "It's dead, Gym". [08:14] cut [08:14] keep [08:15] she was on the phone, she called me [08:15] cut [08:15] Cut [08:15] 4EITHER is neither [08:15] 6Why ELSE would I be down here? [08:15] cut [08:15] keep [08:16] cut [08:16] cut [08:16] 4ELSE is cut [08:16] 6It has FORESIGHT, hindsight and a sight for sore eye. [08:16] keep [08:17] cut [08:17] cut [08:17] cut [08:17] Cut [08:17] 4FORESIGHT is blinded [08:17] 6Ensign Insignificant is giving it an INDIGESTION. [08:17] cut [08:17] Cut [08:18] cut [08:18] cut [08:18] Nice little stair ^ [08:18] cut [08:19] 4INDIGESTION is cut [08:19] 6I mean, just LOOK at it Gym! [08:19] yes. cute. [08:19] keep [08:19] keep [08:19] stair? [08:19] cut [08:19] cut [08:19] Cut [08:19] The little "cut" stair. [08:19] 4LOOK is downcast [08:19] ah [08:20] 6Well up until this MORNING he was ensign Expendible [08:20] he means the line-up of 4 cuts in a row [08:20] keep [08:20] keep [08:20] i want cookies [08:20] Keep [08:20] keep [08:20] takes me a while to notice these things (just ask Wendy about my powers of observation) [08:20] keep [08:20] *Throws a bisquit* [08:20] * NovaFlash looks at it go [08:20] what'd you do that for? [08:20] 3MORNING has broken (hmm, that would've been better if it was cut) [08:20] 6The shade of purple is NEVER healthy. [08:20] speaking of observations: john, how do you expect people to fid the links in the new design? by randomly hovering over words? [08:20] It doesn't show up like stairs here. They're all aligned to the same point ;0) [08:21] cut [08:21] Cut [08:21] wiz: is the hyperlink blue too dark? [08:21] what hyperling blue? they look just the same, until you hover over them [08:21] cut [08:21] In the sidebar John [08:21] Not in the news [08:21] at least on the left and right columns [08:21] all text in the left/right columns are links [08:22] wrong [08:22] They will be underlined when highlighted. [08:22] They don't look like links [08:22] "A free window into the cartoon archives, updated daily!" is not [08:22] but I can make them colourful if you like [08:22] And the poll options aren't links [08:22] "The next schedule judging session will begin in ." only judging session is the link [08:22] awright, awright! [08:22] So it ends up all looking like normal text [08:22] Including the news post links [08:22] "You are logged in as" is not eithe [08:22] oh no [08:22] 4NEVER is cut [08:22] 6I've got to PRACTICE on someone, Gym [08:22] disaster [08:23] cut [08:23] my linux box won't power down [08:23] cut [08:23] Cut [08:23] John - has it always been so to see old punchlines you have to pay? [08:23] I'll change it now, should be very quick and easy to change [08:23] keep [08:23] (Well not *always* obviously) [08:23] E: mm, I think so [08:23] Oh [08:23] Somehow I had forgotten until I was trying to track down a line earlier [08:23] I'm rethinking all that though - as I convert to the new design, I'm changing a lot of the rules [08:23] ofcourse i could always hack the database and make you a paying member :-P [08:23] there'll still be subscription but easier [08:24] Nova: can you? now that it's all changed? [08:24] i was joking [08:24] (I *think* I changed all the passwords) [08:24] and I definitely don't use sev.com.au/admin anymore :-) [08:24] but wouldn't it be something to give a few active sevilians a subscription? people that kinda like contribute lots to the site? [08:24] ok, I'm back Hiya JC [08:24] Whoa [08:24] wb [08:24] wb [08:24] hiya rightbackatchya [08:25] 4PRACTICE is not perfect [08:25] 6He's PURPLE, everyone knows aliens are suppose to be green. [08:25] keep [08:25] keep [08:25] i like that one [08:25] meh [08:25] simple. [08:25] cut [08:25] I suggested offering a short term paid subscription as a 'prize' to tempt people back to JSes a while ago. But nothing came of it [08:25] Cut [08:25] cut [08:25] Actually what I'm gonna do as soon as I get the time is do a 'free trial subscription' [08:25] i suggest giving e and wizz an honorary membership but i can only suggest ;) [08:25] like Ace [08:25] you get to access like 15 or so cartoons [08:26] Ace? [08:26] like Ace's High II [08:26] hm. [08:26] i think i have ;) [08:26] oh well okay [08:26] I suggested that a long time ago too :0P Only, less lame than seeing 15 cartoons [08:26] Oftopic: John, hows that pet project going about that CG movies about animals you had WAY back. [08:26] 25? 35? [08:26] Doggy: that died [08:26] lol [08:26] Aw. [08:26] that is so appropriate [08:26] 4PURPLE is cut [08:26] 6Most aliens do after 10 ROUNDS with you, Gym. [08:26] cut [08:26] It was put down apparently. [08:26] cut [08:26] "what happened to that CG movie project with the dogs?" doggy that died. [08:27] now now, calm down [08:27] cutr [08:27] he's only going to sleep for a very long time [08:27] It was a shame, I really liked the story but it just lost momentum as internet animation projects often do [08:27] it made me realise it was a miracle Pus in Boots ever got finished [08:27] Cu [08:27] t [08:27] i don't think there was divine intervention, john [08:27] 4ROUNDS is cut [08:27] 6I just want some SCREEN time! [08:27] just hard work [08:28] Maybe the constant pressur of your fans kept that going. [08:28] cut [08:28] (and not mine ;)) [08:28] cur [08:28] cut [08:28] cut [08:28] Cut [08:28] 4SCREEN is blank [08:28] 6I feel SICK just looking at it. [08:28] cut [08:28] keep [08:28] cut [08:28] Gary Sinise makes a surprisingly good Deforrest Kelly lookalike I think [08:29] wha? [08:29] Who ? [08:29] (Although I think he possibly looks older than Bones was in the series ;0) [08:29] Emma: what are you talking about? [08:29] Lead in CSI New York, famous actor, in Forrest Gump [08:29] Casting rumour for the new ST film [08:29] I'm for just digging him up and going with Zombie DeForest Kelley [08:29] I know the actor, I just wonder why you brought it up [08:29] Ah THAT guy [08:29] and he has space experience (apollo 13) [08:30] yeah i guess he does do a fair dekelley look [08:30] Matt Damon for Kirk I think. I forget who for Spock (Affleck?) and Sinise for Bones [08:30] matt damon? Hmmmmmmmmm [08:30] MATT!DAMON!! [08:30] you should all go see "team america" and laugh yourselves inside out. [08:30] voting, people? [08:30] just to hear "matt damon!" [08:30] new concept, let's go with good actors [08:30] what about it? [08:30] keep [08:30] well, having a flashy popguy to play Kirk would be logical choice. [08:30] only 3 votes on SICK [08:30] 4 [08:31] http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/767/767783p1.html Bit old though, might be out of date [08:31] one more tiebreaker? [08:31] keep [08:31] corsair: not good. big name ;) [08:31] Cut [08:31] meep [08:31] 4SICK is expelled [08:31] I'm pretty sure I've seen James McAvoy dismiss the Scotty rumours. Thankfully [08:31] 6For STARTERS, it has three eyes and five legs... [08:32] hm [08:32] cut [08:32] cut [08:32] Adrien Brody as Spock ? [08:32] I mean, I love James McAvoy. In a "please let me have your babies" sort of way [08:32] That was it. I knew there was an A in his name [08:32] The nose would ruin it. [08:32] Hmm, Adrien Brody would make a good spock [08:32] They can CGI out the nose :-) [08:32] they should use groundskeeper willie as scotty (his voice at least) ;) [08:32] I just can't see McAvoy as Scotty though. I think he was only linked because he's Scottish. Not like Jimmy Doohan was :0P [08:32] cut [08:33] wiz: no, you're right, actually have an animated Willie! [08:33] Keep [08:33] *snorts* [08:33] Just put Craig Ferguson in for scotty. He's already a Scot. [08:33] I think judging sessions were family friendly John :0P [08:33] So it's all live action then go to the bridge and there's a handdrawn Willie with a wrench, Roger Rabbit style [08:33] cit [08:33] cut [08:34] 4STARTERS is cut [08:34] Why are the live action people not on the bridge and the engineer is then on the bridge? [08:34] 6that leaves only MORNING as our winner by default [08:34] SOrry, not bridge, I meant engineering [08:34] Oh yay, that cartoon that spoiled a show I've been waiting 7 months to see! :0P [08:35] e: i think scotty was more on the bridge than in engineering in TOS ;) [08:35] Guido - ah. I wasn't around for the first run of it, so I never saw it so much ;0) [08:35] (or the transporter room) [08:35] I hope (After digging throught some Star Trek mythology) they will start the movie with a young Kirk (boy). [08:35] :P [08:35] DS - that's the rumour [08:35] If JJ Abrams is directing, then Greg Greenburg must be in it too (the fat guy from Alias, cameoed in Lost). I'm thinking... Chekov! [08:35] Which is why I'm a bit concerned that Sinise looks so old :0P [08:36] I think the real Chekov should be in it [08:36] Heh, yeah, all the senior command staff in one room, under a "transparent aluminum" dome. Often wondered, tactically, about that. [08:36] Kirk grew up on a colony that was massacred by Kodos the executioner. [08:36] almost [08:36] jackie chan as sulu? ;) [08:36] Worryingly, I tried to write that as Tsehov [08:36] Wizzard - Daniel Dae Kim actually ;0) [08:36] Jackie is too old for Sulu. [08:36] 6moving onto heroes cartoon [08:36] or him [08:36] 6Actually, it's a no BRAINER [08:37] If they can get the actress who plays Sun on board as Sulu's sister or something, then I'll be in the cinema ;0) [08:37] keep [08:37] Cut [08:37] cut [08:37] :) [08:37] cut [08:37] According to ST mythology, Sulu was the grandchild of Hoshi Sato. [08:37] 4BRAINER is no [08:37] 6Don't worry, *YOU'RE* in no DANGER. [08:37] (Seriously, Daniel Dae Kim is a casting rumour. But then, that does sound a bit like "JJ Abrams asks the only Far-Eastern actor he knows" ;0) [08:37] cut [08:37] neutral [08:38] Neutral [08:38] JJ is also known for reusing actors [08:38] well, they had his father, father-in-law, father-in-law's henchman, and wife's lover there [08:38] so Kim would have a good shot [08:38] DS - well then the woman who plays Sun can play Hoshi Sato, frozen in time [08:38] cut [08:39] Nope, Hoshi Sato was one of the people massacred by Kodos. [08:39] cut [08:39] 4DANGER has passed [08:39] uh-oh... matthew fox in it? ;) [08:39] 6Being a hero is easy, EVIL requires brains. [08:39] keep [08:39] keep [08:39] How will they explain away the tattoos this time? :0P [08:39] keep [08:39] keep [08:39] he'll be an alien - those are alien markings [08:39] Keep [08:40] 3EVIL lives on [08:40] But I'm sure they could shoe-horn in Dom Monaghan and Naveed Andrews [08:40] 6My mom always told me to eat brain FOOD. [08:40] "mom" inside a red heart is hardly alien [08:40] In fact, they should just cast all the beautiful people [08:40] cut [08:40] Cut [08:40] Eofs: that's a given [08:40] cut [08:40] cut [08:40] cut [08:40] yes, but they should cast MY idea of the beautiful people [08:40] 4FOOD is passed [08:40] 6I help them "to FREE their mind" [08:40] terry o'quinn and the guy who plays henry gale as the villains? ;) [08:40] cut [08:40] Would this mean that the movie explains the mini-skirts ? [08:40] E: I'm sure JJ will be giving you a call for casting tips soon :-) [08:40] cut [08:41] Hooray! [08:41] yay, miniskirts! [08:41] I can bitch at him about being forced to pirate his programme ;0) [08:41] cut [08:41] you download 'lost'? [08:41] Yes [08:41] I thought you didn't do that kind of stuff :-) [08:41] i've lost the plot of Lost a long time ago. [08:41] It was poached by satellite tv after two years on terrestrial [08:41] I don't normally [08:42] happens when you miss some episodes. [08:42] 4FREE is caged [08:42] 6You're the mind READER; guess [08:42] keep [08:42] hm perhaps they were bored out of their skull anyways [08:42] cut [08:42] Cut [08:42] keep [08:42] cut [08:42] cut [08:42] 4READER is cut [08:42] 6Just three more and I'll have the complete SET! [08:42] cut [08:42] cut [08:42] cut [08:42] I am interrested in Heroes, if it ever comes out here in Europe. [08:42] cut [08:42] just obtain it illegally [08:43] DS - Wiki will tell you when it hits your country [08:43] you know the sites [08:43] Cut [08:43] Or just wait and get it on BBC2 ;0) [08:43] i believe in media on demand ;) [08:43] (Monday 18th of June, 9pm BST) [08:44] (Or, I think that's it. I might be making up the time and day of the week. And possibly the date) [08:44] doggy: the show rocks. Get the torrent if you've got broadband [08:44] 4SET is cut [08:44] omg jc doin' illegal stuff [08:44] 6relax, with you it would be a light SNACK. [08:44] cut [08:44] nova: I know, I have a problem [08:44] cut [08:44] keep [08:44] BBC would be the best option for me, since I don't see a release for Dutchieland. [08:44] Cut [08:44] jc; yeah? same as mine? not enough disk space? [08:45] nova: my problem is there isn't another Heroes episode for several weeks [08:45] neutral [08:45] cut [08:45] *patpat* give it time [08:45] 4SNACK is cut [08:45] 6I'll STOP as soon as I find a decent one. [08:45] try battlestar galactica [08:45] cut [08:45] has "Enterprise" finalised yet ? [08:45] (Oh god... Tony Blair doing the catchphrase thing from one of our comedians. Surreal) [08:45] In Aussieland ? [08:45] nova: to be honest, I've gone cold on battlestar. It's really gone off the boil in season 3 [08:45] cut [08:45] oh okay, didn't know that [08:45] Cut [08:45] cut [08:46] doggy: I gave up on Enterprise long ago so I don't know if it's finished yet [08:46] I still find it a pity. [08:46] Enterprise wasn't that bad. [08:46] 4STOP is ended [08:46] 6I need them to start a "think-TANK" [08:46] cut [08:46] cut [08:46] Cut [08:46] cut [08:46] funny, i'm finding BG just lately getting better...odd [08:47] cut [08:47] yes well we all know you've gone off the boil as well, so that's a match [08:47] cut [08:47] I haven't seen the last 2 eps, maybe it picks up. I accidentally read a huge spoiler on the most recent ep which annoyed me greatly (that I got spoiled) [08:47] I keep missing BG, and the episodes I do see, I really don't get. [08:47] 4TANK has tanked [08:47] 6They THINK, therefore *I* am! [08:47] I have season 2 right here. But having not seen season 1, I'm not watching them [08:47] I'm just not into BG. [08:47] cut [08:47] Just using them as drinks coasters [08:47] Cut [08:47] lol [08:47] cut [08:47] hey!!!! [08:48] What? [08:48] cut [08:48] cut [08:48] drink coasters? my dvds? [08:48] plus, it's finally on at convenient time for me now [08:48] They're not yours yet :0P [08:48] cut [08:48] Emma: you're for it now [08:48] i've paid them,. they're mine [08:48] 4THINK is cut [08:48] 6I'm just taking a little off the TOP. [08:48] They're in my room :0P [08:48] cut [08:48] Wizzard: first dvd's. then your soccer collection. then your life. women. [08:48] cut [08:48] cut [08:48] keep [08:49] Johan - I don't have to steal anything of his for football. I just turn up in the country and his team loses [08:49] i'm pretty sure she won't steal one f my football shirts. but she'll have to wear it :P [08:49] 4TOP is cut [08:49] 6You'll find out soon enough, WAIT for your turn.. [08:49] Then again, that's a bit like the bit where every time he's in England it rains [08:49] cut [08:49] cut [08:49] The chances of the two coinciding are high ;0) [08:49] Emma: could that be cause it's always raining? [08:49] WILL NOT WEAR IT [08:49] EofS: really? your overpowering feminine feromones making the germans all crazy? [08:49] John - yes. Like they're always losing ;0) [08:49] good comeback [08:49] they won last weekend [08:49] cut [08:50] It didn't rain today [08:50] 4WAIT for cut [08:50] 6Why would I WANT loser's brains? [08:50] EofS: a miracle [08:50] cut [08:50] Cut [08:50] cut [08:50] cut [08:50] 4WANT is unwanted [08:50] 6I WARNED him: "use it or lose it" [08:50] cut [08:51] cut [08:51] Cut [08:51] cut [08:51] DS - did you watch Extras at all? [08:51] however, once you get a job, it's "use it AND lose it" [08:51] 4WARNED is cut [08:51] I've seen "Extras" once. [08:52] Didn't like it? [08:52] 6the winner again by default is EVIL [08:52] I did like it, but what has Extras got to do with it ? [08:52] okay, I changed the link colours in the margin [08:52] don't think I agree with the sentiment, but, there it is [08:52] hmm, it looks weird now :-( [08:53] "I thought I'd raise my profile, see if I could do a film." "Ooh, that's setting your sights a bit hi." "No, British film." "Ah, yeah." [08:53] I might go tweak it, make the visited colour BLUE so it's not all purple and blue mix and match [08:53] is it the same blue like the "news" or "on this day" headline? [08:53] 6moving onto Pits [08:53] I have a quick question re Pits [08:53] Somehow suspec tthis won't get judged ;0) [08:53] shoot [08:53] But go ahead [08:53] yup [08:54] Firstly, who's gonna judge Pits now? [08:54] *Crickets chirp* [08:54] If Wiz and E boycott, then we don't have enough judges... [08:54] *tumbleweed tumbles* [08:54] so I guess that concludes the judging session :-) [08:54] Ah. [08:55] I'm not boycotting it, I at least respect the choice of killing of Lance, [08:55] re my second question, never mind, I'll shelve it [08:55] You can still ask... [08:55] meep [08:55] well [08:56] I had an idea for a future Pits storyline (nothing at all to do with Lance's death or the baby, just an ordinary Pits storyline) but not sure if its on the nose or not [08:56] Heh, [08:56] it seems the transfer of sevspace.com is finally going through [08:56] I'm in, but I have a stake in the game [08:56] really? Huzzah! [08:56] so we have corsair, doggy and me - not enough :-( [08:56] well you got my mail right? the one i sent while you were in bed snoring. [08:56] "ordinarsy pits"? like with wayne, herman and LANCE sharing the flat? [08:56] hadn't opened outlook yet. Turned on the computer, went straight to MIRC [08:57] i wonder [08:57] sure you remember those days clearly? [08:57] HMmm, [08:57] People should go and see the hilarious thread on the IB where someone suggests bringing in a new roommate ;0) [08:57] I saw that thread started, haven't seen the latest posts [08:57] You replied to it John [08:58] I think it's just you and I who have [08:58] Well, at least the term "He jumped the croc" would for now on be used if such an event occured again. [08:58] last time, the guy disappeared completely....often "wonder" about that... [08:58] would a storyline where they move to another apartment be nice? the kind where they go look for a new apartment because of financial stuff or because of whatever reason, and they get all sorts of awesome sounding offers but in the end they end up with a near-exact match of what they already had. the entire storyline could be quite large. eh. i dunno. just wondering. [08:58] Bill - explanation is on the IB ;0) [08:58] Maybe a spin-off ? [08:58] oooooo [08:59] Whole new characters ? [08:59] johan: I'm redelegating the sevspace domain right now [08:59] Same universe. [08:59] woohoo [08:59] this means the transfer was made just in the nick of time [08:59] which thread? [08:59] it only took a month [08:59] :-P [08:59] Nova; I did something a little similar to that where they were evicted, went looking at places but in the end, their old landlord begged them to come back because he couldn't get anyone else to live in the place [08:59] heh oh ;) good one there then [08:59] oh, that one [09:00] Ah, the colour strips... [09:00] I gave up on the colour concept - I just lost interest in it [09:00] well you could still do the storyline and detail the process of moving from one apartment to a new apartment which starts out nice and clean but turns into a bunch of trash in a few days time [09:00] Also is there an ETA on the dropdown menus that can actually be used to navigate? ;0) [09:00] No ETA, haven't looked at it yet [09:00] Ok [09:01] EofS: 15th march. [09:01] ;) [09:01] Maybe next week - a higher priority was switching the archives and forums to the new design [09:01] Arghno [09:01] 15 March... 2008 [09:01] ;) [09:01] we're gonna hold you to that, jc [09:01] Well, if there is no Pits judging session, I will sign off now. [09:01] hurry hurry [09:01] Being able to at least navigate from teh forums is what I was holding onto [09:01] you might make it [09:01] Doggy: sorry, no Pits today [09:01] if you start working on it now [09:02] Latah Spew [09:02] Bye Laurens [09:02] ciao barfingcanine [09:02] bye ds [09:02] Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. [09:02] * DoggySpew has quit IRC (Disintegrated: Goodness gracious me.) [09:02] John, you never open links in new windows or tabs I'm guessing? [09:02] Just navigate from one page to another [09:02] What? He fall off the building? [09:02] EofS: he doesn't make a habit of looking at his site ;);) [09:03] generally navigate, occasionally open new windows but rarely from the dropdowns [09:03] I'd guessed ;0) [09:03] but I know that's important so I'll have a quick look to see if its an easy thing to change [09:03] if not, it might be a while [09:03] javascript is not my strong suit [09:03] *Headdesk* [09:03] sorry :-( [09:03] lol [09:03] but I might get lucky [09:03] it shouldn't be hard, john [09:04] Javascript links are almost worse than flash ones. Not quite, but almost [09:04] I know but I'm a javascript novice - I'm hoping it's a mere case of changing the links to plain HTML ones [09:04] something like [09:05] then you can build a dropdown menu where you can select a link in the list and when you've made your selection, it automatically changes the address et voila [09:06] blabla [09:06] I don't care what it is as long as I can right/middle click on it [09:06] ah no you can't do that with a dropdown navigation [09:06] though i don't know what would happen if you simply held down shift or ctrl while selecting a link in a dropdown menu [09:06] nova: you could on my old dropdowns as it used HTML links [09:07] Johan - opens in the same tab [09:07] why is it not possible to reuse the old dropdowns and just change the style (colours) to the new design? [09:07] yeah i was just about to ask that too [09:07] if you had it working before [09:07] That would be too easy [09:07] true. [09:07] let's think this through [09:08] maybe if we made an image map out of it [09:08] an image with all the links on it [09:08] then hotspots that can be clicked [09:08] Wiz: I tried using the old dropdowns but it didn't work with the new HTML [09:08] with a selection menu coming up driving by javascript and dhtml [09:08] driven * [09:08] eg - I had to set the HTML type to [09:08] ;) [09:08] eg - I had to set the HTML type to transitional to make the CSS layout work [09:08] but that stuffed up the drop downs [09:09] so I grabbed a different dropdown code from a PaperWeb site [09:09] but looking at the javascript code (I just peeked now), I *think* it's possible to make the links plain HTML links [09:09] so right clicking will be possible [09:09] It would be an enormous improvement on the current design [09:10] will have a crack at it today or monday (most likely monday as Wendy wants to go shopping shortly) [09:10] It would still be ugly, but at least it would be navigable ;0) [09:10] funny... i once used css layout to change html from transilitonal to strict [09:10] Thanks John [09:10] i suggest using magic [09:11] ok, i'll be leaving now as well. byes! [09:11] ciao wizzie [09:11] Tata [09:11] bye guido [09:11] (Not wearing the shiiiiirt) [09:11] * NovaFlash pokes E in the side [09:12] I should go too. Will post the winners then if I can quickly squeeze it in try and fix the menu [09:12] Ow. What? [09:12] * Wizzard has quit IRC (Client exited) [09:12] bye all!, thanks for the feedback! [09:12] just poking [09:12] and for judging [09:12] ciao [09:12] Thanks John, will be much appreciate [09:12] well, 2 of them anyway :-) [09:12] * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Mar 17 09:12:23 2007